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Assaf Moghadam - an Israeli academic who is cited repeatedly on most of the Wikipedia pages about the relationship between Islam and terrorism. So we need a page that gives some background on his qualifications, opinions, etc. Unfortunately most interviews etc. are in Hebrew, but I have made a stub. Industrial Metal Brain (talk) 00:42, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Political aspects of Islam

Being heavily edited by an editor who I believe is adding material that doesn't belong, eg about coins, etc. Doug Weller talk 09:05, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kaaba: Demand for Deletion of Blasphemous Imaged of the Last Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon

Him)

Subject: Request for Immediate Removal of Blasphemous Images from the "Kaaba" Wikipedia Page

Dear Wikipedia Team,

I hope this message finds you well. My name is [Your Name], and I am writing as a member of the Muslim community deeply concerned about the presence of pictorial depictions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his blessed companions on the Wikipedia page titled "Kaaba" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaba).

These images, located under the 'History' tab, are highly offensive and blasphemous to Muslims around the world, as any visual representation of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is strictly prohibited in Islam. The specific images in question are:

1. "Muhammad at the Ka'ba" from the Siyer-i Nebi, showing Muhammad with a veiled face, c. 1595.

2. A miniature from 1307 CE depicting Muhammad fixing the black stone into the Kaaba.

These images not only disrespect our beliefs but also deeply hurt the sentiments of millions in the Muslim community, including myself. The existence of these images on a public platform like Wikipedia fosters misunderstanding and disrespects our faith, which is rooted in profound reverence for our beloved Last Prophet (Peace be Upon Him). We kindly request that these images be removed from the Wikipedia page immediately, without any delay or further explanation.

We understand that Wikipedia requires supporting evidence for high-profile articles. In this case, the prohibition of visual depictions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is well-documented in Islamic teachings and widely recognized by scholars and religious authorities. Numerous fatwas based on Qur'anic scripture and hadith traditions from all schools of thought strictly prohibit drawing images of the last Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his blessed companions, deeming such acts as blasphemy. This prohibition is rooted in Islamic teachings that emphasize the importance of avoiding idolatry and misrepresentation. Scholars unanimously agree that there is no permissibility whatsoever for visual representations of the Last Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) or his blessed companions, as such depictions are considered blasphemous and fundamentally incompatible with Islamic teachings.

Furthermore, surveys indicate that a significant portion of Muslims find such depictions offensive. The Journal of Islamic Thought and Civilization highlights that Muslims believe visual depictions of all prophets should be prohibited, particularly those of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), as they hurt their emotions and go against their faith (Journal of Islamic Thought and Civilization). We urge you to consider the sensitivity of this matter and its impact on millions of Muslims worldwide.

Addressing Wikipedia's FAQ:

1.Wikipedia is not censored: While Wikipedia aims to provide a neutral point of view, it is essential to consider how these images offend deeply held beliefs. The presence of such content does not foster an inclusive environment for all users.

2.Historical accuracy: The images in question are historically inaccurate, as acknowledged by Wikipedia. The artists who created these works lived centuries after Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and could not have seen him. Using inaccurate images perpetuates misconceptions rather than providing educational value.

3.Offense to Muslims: Wikipedia recognizes that depictions of Muhammad are offensive to many Muslims. This offense affects millions globally and cannot be dismissed as a minor issue. Suggesting that users change their settings to hide images is not a viable solution; such representations on a public platform like Wikipedia perpetuate disrespect and harm.

4.Preventing idolatry: The traditional prohibition against images of prophets serves to prevent idolatry—a principle that should be respected in any educational context. The presence of these images on Wikipedia violates this fundamental religious principle.

5.Comparison to other figures: While Wikipedia may use images of historical figures like Jesus, it is crucial to note that any depiction of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him) is universally forbidden in Islam. This distinction makes comparisons inadequate and unjustifiable.

6.Separate link for images: Creating a separate link for these images is also not an acceptable solution. The core issue remains that any depiction of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him) is considered blasphemous in Islam, and there is no allowance for such visual representations under any circumstances. The existence of these images on a public platform like Wikipedia is inherently offensive and harmful. We acknowledge the FAQ section on the Talk:Muhammad page but believe that this request warrants special consideration due to its unique nature. The presence of these images does not contribute to the educational value of the article but rather perpetuates significant cultural and religious offense.

Examples of Content Removal from Wikipedia

1.John Seigenthaler Wikipedia Hoax (2005): A false and defamatory article about journalist John Seigenthaler was posted on Wikipedia and removed after being identified. This instance illustrates Wikipedia's commitment to maintaining content integrity by removing material that is harmful or misleading.

2.Essjay Controversy (2007): Contributions from a prominent Wikipedia editor who falsified his credentials were scrutinized and subsequently removed, demonstrating that Wikipedia actively removes content undermining its reliability. 3.Wiki-PR Scandal (2012): Manipulated content created by a company using sockpuppet accounts was removed, showcasing Wikipedia's efforts to prevent abuse of its platform.

4.Orangemoody Investigation (2015): Fraudulent content posted by a group of blackmailers using sockpuppet accounts was removed, highlighting Wikipedia's proactive stance against harmful content. Relevant Policies

Wikipedia's Policy on Images:

According to your guidelines, "images that would bring the project into disrepute... may be removed by any user." The continued presence of these offensive images directly contradicts this policy as they clearly offend a significant portion of users.

Wikipedia's Policy on Offensive Material:

1.According to Wikipedia: Offensive material, while Wikipedia aims to include material that may offend, it explicitly states that "offensive words and offensive images should not be included unless they are treated in an encyclopedic manner." The inclusion of these blasphemous images does not meet this criterion as they serve no educational purpose but rather cause harm.

2.Neutral Point of View: As outlined in Wikipedia's Guide to Deletion, all content must adhere to a neutral point of view (NPOV). The presence of these offensive images violates this policy by failing to respect a significant portion of your readership who find such content unacceptable.

3.Speedy Deletion Policy: This policy states that pages can be deleted without discussion if they meet criteria for speedy deletion due to being obviously inappropriate for Wikipedia (Wikipedia:Deletion policy). Given their blasphemous nature, these images qualify for immediate removal under this guideline.

4.Content Integrity Maintenance: Content that undermines Wikipedia's reliability or trustworthiness can be removed proactively by editors or administrators (Wikipedia:Content Integrity). Allowing these offensive images undermines your credibility as an encyclopedia committed to accuracy and respect.

5.Adherence to Neutrality: Wikipedia has a strong stance against Holocaust denial and antisemitism, clearly reflected in the Holocaust denial page, which debunks false claims and provides historical evidence. This commitment to neutrality and respect for deeply held beliefs should be extended to the depiction of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as well.

Handling of Other Sensitive Topics:

1.Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Wikipedia handles content related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with sensitivity and neutrality, ensuring a balanced representation of different perspectives.

2.Abortion: Wikipedia presents diverse viewpoints on abortion respectfully, acknowledging the sensitivity of the topic.

3.Censorship and Internet Freedom: Wikipedia respects local laws and cultural sensitivities, demonstrating its commitment to respecting different cultural and religious practices.

In light of these considerations and your own policies, I urge you to take immediate action to remove these offensive images from the "Kaaba" page and review your guidelines regarding sensitive religious content moving forward.

Thank you for your understanding and swift action on this matter.

Sincerely,

Yasha Ullah Afghan 202.47.33.85 (talk) 05:37, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No per WP:NOTCENSORED. — Czello ^(music) 07:40, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quranic cosmology

Could someone take a look at Quranic cosmology please? One of those niche articles where I know what's wrong but can only explain it to an editor in a domain-general way, which I don't feel will help. Remsense ‥ 论 12:02, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Remsense: Quranic cosmology is an affected title, maybe move to Quranic cosmos...a less arcance title? Tiny Particle (talk) 19:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not entirely following. Cosmology is vocabulary with a specific meaning. Remsense ‥ 论 12:03, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for Battle of Badr

Battle of Badr has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 04:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sharia and Quran

I wish I didn't feel the need to post a thread like this, but over the past year-plus the articles Quran and Sharia have each undergone dramatic renovations by a single user, with the word count of the latter in particular ballooning further past what we generally consider to be ideal for our most nuanced articles. I cannot help but feel like much of their hard work has not been resulted in improvements for we what we intend to be well-rounded encyclopedia articles for an international English-speaking readership. I cannot be of proper assistance, but I hope someone who could be can take a look and discern what might have to be reworked or returned to its previous state for two of our most important articles. Thanks. Remsense ‥ 论 12:08, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Currently I still have a few articles in mind I work on when I have time, but I would try to read over the articles in a while in sha'allah. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 19:15, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Mufti Abdul Razzaq#Requested move 25 December 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Mufti Abdul Razzaq#Requested move 25 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 14:10, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Houthi movement#Requested move 12 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Houthi movement#Requested move 12 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Abo Yemen ✉ 18:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Launching! Join Us for Wiki Loves Ramadan 2025!

Dear Wikimedian,

We’re happy to announce the launch of Wiki Loves Ramadan 2025, an annual international campaign dedicated to celebrating and preserving Islamic cultures and history through the power of Wikipedia. As an active contributor to the Local Wikipedia, you are specially invited to participate in the launch.

This year’s campaign will be launched for you to join us write, edit, and improve articles that showcase the richness and diversity of Islamic traditions, history, and culture.

Topic: Wiki Loves Ramadan 2025 Campaign Launch
When: Jan 19, 2025
Time: 16:00 Universal Time UTC and runs throughout Ramadan (starting February 25, 2025).
Join Zoom Meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/88420056597?pwd=NdrpqIhrwAVPeWB8FNb258n7qngqqo.1
Zoom meeting hosted by Wikimedia Bangladesh

To get started, visit the campaign page for details, resources, and guidelines: Wiki Loves Ramadan 2025.

Add your community here, and organized Wiki Loves Ramadan 2025 in your local language.

Whether you’re a first-time editor or an experienced Wikipedian, your contributions matter. Together, we can ensure Islamic cultures and traditions are well-represented and accessible to all.

Feel free to invite your community and friends too. Kindly reach out if you have any questions or need support as you prepare to participate.

Let’s make Wiki Loves Ramadan 2025 a success!

For the International Team 08:36, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Nasiruddin Sailani Badesha

The article Nasiruddin Sailani Badesha has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Unreferenced and unimproved for 15 years. No reliable sources online Google news, newspapers, books, or scholar. Not enough information to merge or redirect. No other language's article exists from which to translate.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Bearian (talk) 11:49, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Ahmadiyya#Requested move 27 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ahmadiyya#Requested move 27 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TiggerJay (talk) 16:35, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of your articles that are in Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors, 2025

Currently, this project has about ~80 articles in need of some reference cleanup. Basically, some short references created via {{sfn}} and {{harvnb}} and similar templates have missing full citations or have some other problems. This is usually caused by templates misuse or by copy-pasting a short reference from another article without adding the full reference, or because a full reference is not making use of citation templates like {{cite book}} (see Help:CS1) or {{citation}} (see Help:CS2). To easily see which citation is in need of cleanup, you can check these instructions to enable error messages (Svick's script is the simplest to use, but Trappist the monk's script is a bit more refined if you're interested in doing deeper cleanup). See also how to resolve issues.

These could use some of your attention

If you could add the full references to those article/fix the problem references, that would be great. Again, the easiest way to deal with those is to install Svick's script per these instructions. If after installing the script, you do not see an error, that means it was either taken care of, or was a false positive, and you don't need to do anything else. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:47, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to change the text of MOS:CALLIGRAPHY

There is a proposal to change the text of MOS:CALLIGRAPHY at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Islam-related articles#Proposal: clarify "user-generated" in MOS:CALLIGRAPHY. Editors are kindly invited to participate in the discussion there. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 10:10, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]